November 02, 2007
How White Has Indie Rock Really Become?
Responses to Sasha Frere-Jones's New Yorker piece about how indie-rock has largely evacuated all African-American influences in the Village Voice:
Breihan: OK, so what are your big problems with the article? And, I mean, can you really deny that indie-rock is farting off into rhythm-free tedium and that that's a bad thing?
Harvilla: My first big problem here is LCD Soundsystem, rightly praised not too long ago by both Tom Breihan and Sasha Frere-Jones. Folks have already pointed out how Sasha’s complimentary LCD piece started: “About five years ago, indie rockers began to rediscover the pleasures of rhythm.” Two weeks after LCD plays to 350,000 people at Randalls Island, that dream is dead?
As for the co-headliner, Arcade Fire: Sasha praised them too, back in February. Now they’re taken to task for unbearable whiteness? Is he actually holding them up as emblematic of indie rock’s dearth of “ecstatic singing” and “elaborate showmanship”? They’re a football field’s worth of Canadians in military garb screaming into bullhorns, for crying out loud. They’re far closer to James Brown than James Taylor.
Darcy Argue also has some thought on the matter:
[W]hat I don't get -- and I am certain I am not alone here -- is how, exactly, you write a 3,500-word New Yorker piece, plus a follow-up blog post and podcast interview, on the general topic of "Why does indie rock sound so goddamned white?" without once mentioning, even in passing, TV on the Radio.
Are they, like Eminem, an anomalous outlier -- the exception that proves the rule? Well okay, but... isn't it worth at least tangentially addressing the fact that the most critically acclaimed band in indie rock is 4/5ths black? I'm not trying to claim that this one group undermines SF-J's entire argument or anything lame like that, but... well, don't you think people might think this was kind of a curious omission?
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Comments
Okay, so if rock&roll has interesting rhythms, white guys are stealing from African-Americans, and if it doesn't, it's gotten "too white"; have I got that right?
I guess that way music critics will always have something to complain about...
Posted by: Jim E-H | Nov 2, 2007 6:00:54 PM
Also interesting to me is the fact that he fails to mention The White Stripes, a band which reliably cribs from old blues and rock albums of the Elvis era. It is music that is thumping be definition. An forgive my memory, but since I've been listening to "indie" music since 120 Minutes debuted, wasn't the rise of bands like Nirvana, Blur, the shoegazers, etc a hell of a lot more "white" than the current crop of indie?
Gah, this is why I hate music critics, because it's never really discussion of what's good about the music or even a discussion that veers toward fact but usually screeds that just draw people (like me) into arguments.
Posted by: Maurice Reeves | Nov 3, 2007 12:26:22 AM
Darcy is correct. TV on the Radio. Also submit another critical darling: lovable British nerds Hot Chip.
Anyway, "indie rock" isn't a set of bands; it's an audience. Therein lies a lot of conceptual confusion.
Posted by: Asad Raza | Nov 3, 2007 6:28:52 PM
Next thing you know, Mr Frere-Jones will be criticizing people of color like me for being fans of white rock rather than hip-hop (which I do like as club music, but which just doesn't do it for me as bedsit music). You'll pry my U2, Tori Amos, Matthew Good, and Decemberists CDs from my cold dead hands, self-hating pretentious white rock critics be damned.
I do have issues with the way in which white rock is portrayed as music of the head and r&b/hip-hop as music of the hips - but Frere-Jones certainly isn't making things better. Carl Wilson's article at Slate makes good points about the class issues at stake.
Has there ever been any sociological analysis of how, in order to enter the liberal elite, your music tastes have to abandon any non-ironic love of "sexist" rap (as though white male liberal college types didn't rape their girlfriends) and other non-Pitchfork approved music?
What I find frustrating about the current musical climate is that other than some Latin American singers, there's not nearly as much global press about angsty introspective - 'indie', if you will - singer-songwriters coming out of the non-West. It's like the stereotype that people of color don't commit suicide or have body-image disorder or like science fiction or are atheists . I have a friend who records under the name Black Eyeliner Tears, and part of the reason he hasn't had much press is because he doesn't bring soul or even jazz influences to his fine music. It's one thing to be not ashamed of your heritage; it's another to have to bring it into everything you do whether you want to or not.
Posted by: Sajia Kabir | Nov 3, 2007 9:28:57 PM
Good point, Asad, about Indie being the audience, not the music genre.
Posted by: beajerry | Nov 5, 2007 11:31:09 AM
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