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October 29, 2007

Below the Fold: A World without the Rich

Michael Blim

Can you imagine a world without the rich?

You might say that the rich we have had as long as we have had the poor. As the incredulous swell in an old wine commercial said to the ingénue: “How do you think I got so rich?”

Most Americans today accept the rich as they do death and taxes as another one of life’s annoying basic facts. It is unusual for Americans to realize that we as a society are responsible for their existence. We believe what they tell us. Once again, an old commercial suffices: As John Houseman, bow-tied, and quintessentially the patrician Harvard law professor he once played put it about his client: “At Smith Barney, we make money the old fashioned way – we earn it!”

(Parenthetically, who among the moneychangers would dare run this ad now?)

We need not countenance their existence forever. One need not bring back Stalin to reduce or eliminate the rich. Scandinavian countries do quite well in minimizing their presence. And there is little mystery in how to reduce or eliminate the economic power of the rich. Steeply progressive income taxes, elimination of inherited wealth through estate taxes, and income redistribution along with a robust welfare state can do it.

If Americans examined the deeper damage that the rich do to society, perhaps they might be willing to try cutting the rich down to size.

Let’s look at how the rich damage American society.

First, they burn up resources. Andrew Hacker in a recent issue of The New York Review of Books paid tribute to John Kenneth Galbraith’s The Affluent Society for its scathing critique of the lifestyles of the rich and its condemnation of how they squandered national resources on personal consumption. These resources, Galbraith argued, could be better put to solving the country’s social problems. As noted above, there are remedies that Americans thus far refuse to apply, and they are as obvious as they are ignored.

Second, the rich corrupt the major institutions of American society. It bears repeating that the rich don’t get rich or stay rich simply by making better widgets and saving the profits from their corporate endeavors. They make legislatures dysfunctional, regulatory authorities their watchdogs, and professions their poodles. They corrupt presidents. They even corrupt each other, as corporate heads are bribed with board positions and in turn protect the interests of the company that bribed them.

Consider their corruption of several essential marketplaces for goods and services. What is the recuperative value of a luxury hotel inside a major hospital, complete with chef and concierge services? That depends, I suppose, on what is being recuperated. In the hospital’s case, they recover money, they claim, and lots of it, when compared to serving those Medicaid-assisted poor and the Medicare-dependent elderly and disabled. Instead of lamenting low Medicaid and Medicare reimbursements, they are pandering to the rich. Often it is for more than just money for services rendered. There are new hospital wings and prestigious care centers and institutes to think about, and who better to hit on but the rich who have just spent a week at the local Plaza Hotel hospital?

If pampering patients makes them get well, then how can it be denied to others? But that isn’t the point of the white glove treatment, is it?

Even as doctors desert careers in internal medicine owing to perceived lower pay and longer hours, other internists open boutiques, shrink their practices to a quarter of their former sizes, and charge $3000 per person annual membership fees (See my column “Is There a Doctor in the House?”). Every time internists create boutiques, they diminish the number of doctors, already declining, that provide medical care for everyone else.

The rich even corrupt careers like hospital administration. A recent Boston Globe story disclosed that the presidents of Boston’s major teaching hospitals make near or over a million dollars each a year (NB: without bonuses added). The last time I checked, hospitals of this sort were non-profit institutions. One would think that the boards of these non-profit hospitals would blanch at paying them a million, if only for fear of bad publicity. Yet, as the boards are composed mostly of very rich people, they by practically class instinct would acknowledge that someone whom they employ with so much responsibility deserves a comparable reward. This, after all, is their divine right to ungodly compensation too, so the divine right must be defended everywhere, or it will eventually obtain nowhere.

The rich corrupt universities. Elite schools become elite schools because they service the elite. If that seems tautological, that’s because it’s causal, not casual. The rich made elite schools with their money, and the payback for their accumulated billions, according to Daniel Golden, Wall Street Journal reporter in his new book The Price of Admission, is legacy admissions for their heirs. The subtitle of his book could be “how George Bush got to Yale,” and perhaps how he managed to actually get “C” grades. (You have heard of the gentleman’s “C” haven’t you?) Golden shows how elite schools take in hefty percentages of legacy undergraduates. He also shows in the case of Duke how the university effectively solicited bribes by admitting rich students with the expectation that endowment money would follow from them and their families.

And we thought we lived in a meritocracy. Horatio Alger was right: the best way to succeed in business is to marry the boss’ doctor – or, it seems, play lacrosse at Dartmouth with his son.

But there is a third and perhaps the most insidious way whereby the rich corrupt American society. They corrupt the nature of society itself by turning their corrupting powers and dubious satisfactions into cultural standards for the rest of America. The great if largely forgotten social critic Thorstein Veblen in The Theory of the Leisure Class (1899) made this point precisely and with disarming if utterly cynical simplicity. Wealth, Veblen argued, was a source of honor, and thus having it created an invidious distinction. Others emulated the rich to achieve wealth and status. Seeing this, the rich manifest their dominance through conspicuous consumption, which also has the happy effect of controlling and corrupting American institutions, as I have suggested above in the cases of elite higher education and medical care.

Thus, for instance, philanthropy, though universally considered generous and altruistic, has a predatory component. It is, as the French sociologist Marcel Mauss would have noted, a gift that demands reciprocation – in this case power – in return. When Mike Bloomberg gives upwards of a billion dollars to the Johns Hopkins medical colossus, he receives respect in return, and probably influence in the future direction of the institution. Bill Gates, to take another case, is now one of a handful of the world’s most influential people directing global world health initiatives. Warren Buffett has decided that his friend Bill, Gates that is, should use his wealth in Gates-sponsored initiatives too. All of this is done without a whimper about the loss of democratic control of our priorities, and without a whisper of the impropriety of handing over state and in Gates’ case global sovereignty to the rich.

The rich also receive sanction for their wealth and the means by which they made it. Gates’ Microsoft may have been found by the European Community to have used monopoly power to kill off its competition, but this fact is buried on the financial pages. His philanthropy is strictly page one. And the rich actually claim their legitimacy from beyond the grave, a power for which every legacy student at Harvard rejoices. Everyone remembers that the great Andrew Carnegie, either out of soulful suffering or by virtue of his attachment to the strictures of Scottish Protestantism, gave away his total fortune. Those beautiful rural town libraries and several foundations are the result. Few remember how his steel company was responsible for the bloodiest and most lethal counterattack on a union strike in American history. With money, the rich not only predate the rest of society, but also produce a sanctifying grace that absolves their sins.

Go thou and do likewise, the rich can be heard to say. Instead of stripping the rich of their predatory and envy-making wealth, several hundred million Americans put their hopes and dreams into a chase after wealth and an orgy of conspicuous consumption. No more just social order emerges. No, instead the rich and their divine right are affirmed. After all, how can you be against wealth and predatory power if you chase it? Millions of American lives are wrecked in emulating the rich and pursuing their path. Millions more may not emulate the rich, but the rich and their wannabees economically and socially run them over anyway in the great chase for wealth and power. The poor, the working classes, hell, everyone in the bottom four fifths of American society are exploited by the rich at the same time they are upbraided for falling behind. You’d have to be a swell not to notice that the rich create a standard of living that only the rich can afford.

Ponder this and this observation of Thorstein Veblen’s:

“The fact that the usages, actions, and views of the well-to-do leisure class acquire the character of a prescriptive canon of conduct for the rest of society, gives added weight and reach to the conservative influence of that class. It makes it incumbent upon all reputable people to follow their lead. So that, by virtue of its high position as the avatar of good form, the wealthier class comes to exert a retarding influence upon social development far in excess of that which the simple numerical strength of the class would assign it. Its prescriptive example acts to greatly stiffen the resistance of all other classes against any innovation….” (Penguin Books, 1994, 200)

Feel stuck?

Posted by Michael Blim at 12:53 PM | Permalink

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Posted by: Kyle | Oct 29, 2007 1:06:56 PM

An excellent post. I could not agee with you more. I would be willing to pay more taxes for a more egalitarian society, where good education, healthy food and health care is considered a human right for all. But I suppose it will remain a dream, since too many Americans are chasing wealth as individuals rather than betterment of the whole society.

Posted by: Tasnim | Oct 29, 2007 2:40:18 PM

We are as likely to do away with the rich as we are with the poor. There will always be elitist who get where they are because of money. After all, many talented but wealthy kids go to eleite private high schools, which usually are better than the public schools. I might carp about legacyslots at elite schools but what say you to slots for football, basketball, oboe, hockey etc players? that too is preferential. The first thing to do is get over the notion that things will change. Now think on this: we have a greatly expanding population and numnerically it means more kids with high IQs vying for good colleges. But we do not build new colleges. We add on in the public schools and get more selective in the private schools Now we are seeing many schools that were lower tier becoming upper tier because of more applicants with good grades.

Posted by: fred lapides | Oct 29, 2007 3:15:38 PM

Excellent article. I couldn't agree more. Opposition to income redistribution in America damages the country and its economy.

Posted by: CCBC | Oct 29, 2007 4:03:26 PM

Very interesting and relevant perceptions about the rich.

Posted by: Lexcen | Oct 29, 2007 4:10:38 PM

This is an interesting ethical argument against corruption. But it is a digression, an appendix in the way society works.

The American society is not premised on ethical grounds, but economics. Who is striving to make a more ethical society anyway, except for stray human rights groups? Not those in the elite. Not those working in the society. Not those managing the society. Corruption figures against our ethics from a human standpoint, but the world runs on numbers that lead up to efficiency. It is about all the ways for elite marking and maintaining itself in the way they do. It would do whatever it must to meet those ends. Period.

It was one and a half centuries ago that Marx made his arguments, and no one has really bettered those. But the fact is ethics serves as an appendix, no more than a lubricator in the economic process. If the practices are running contrary to ethics, so be it.

Maybe what I say isn't clear to those in America; ask the Third World.

Posted by: Bilal | Oct 29, 2007 4:49:00 PM

Good Post.

As Henry David Thoreau said,"Men have an indistinct notion that if they keep up this activity of joint stocks and spades long enough all will at length ride somewhere, in next to no time, and for nothing; but though a crowd rushes to the depot, and the conductor shouts "All aboard!" when the
smoke is blown away and the vapor condensed, it will be perceived that a few are riding, but the rest are run over,-and it will be called, and will be, "A melancholy accident. "


Posted by: John Bunting | Oct 29, 2007 4:52:25 PM

Two words: Harrison Bergeron.

Also, and for the same reason, we should tax height. Better yet, it's time we simply got rid of tall people and their shameless corruption of society for their own benefit.

http://gregmankiw.blogspot.com/2007/04/optimal-taxation-of-height.html

Posted by: Benjamin.L | Oct 29, 2007 4:55:18 PM

Right on, comrade.

I think all economic theories are basically premised on ethical grounds - though we may not agree with the ethical positions they take. We need to stop pretending economics is a science. And I do indeed feel stuck - the obvious answer is progressive taxation up to a maximum income, but the US politic is far from willing to accept anything of that nature.

Posted by: brock samson | Oct 29, 2007 5:05:59 PM

Wow. The author actually fumes that Bloomberg, Gates and Buffett make their donations openly, presuming to invite respect for their actions. Naturally, no good can come from A's actions if A benefits even slightly from them. I almost felt like I was reading something by a bizarro-world inverse of Adam Smith.

Posted by: D | Oct 29, 2007 7:47:53 PM

A wonderfully concise summary of some very convincing arguments against the disease that is consumption (I have a bad case, btw). Thanks, Michael. :)

Posted by: Akbi | Oct 29, 2007 8:43:49 PM

How smug and self-satisfied art thou, o poor person; endowed as you are with the software and hardware that allows you to post your vitriol (courtesy of those rich bastards that have made this medium so cheaply available to the masses).

If you detest the rich so much, then I suggest you exercise your God-given right to move to a poor country (there are many located there that would happily trade places with you -- you nincompoop!)

Posted by: David | Oct 30, 2007 12:59:52 AM

"It bears repeating that the rich don't get rich or stay rich simply by making better widgets and saving the profits from their corporate endeavors."

It bears repeating! But is it true?

Perhaps those few rich people who do get rich that way might be permitted to keep their money? And perhaps they might give it to whom they choose, including their children?

Posted by: Sagredo | Oct 30, 2007 3:14:56 AM

Actually, Bill Gates is an excellent example, as would be Richard Branson here in the UK - because neither of them started out rich. They are guys who had drive and energy, sure, and entrepreneurial creativity, and used it to get simply gobsmacking amounts of money. And as a result of the money they nopw have, they enjoy a lot more influence than, say, their siblings who instead went off to be doctors, or teachers.

And a note to David, above. Why did I have to pay nearly £100 recently for a copy of Microsoft Office, students edition? That's not exactly cheap, and Gates doesn;t NEED profit margins that high - he already has billions and squillions of money that he got off - oh, yeah - us.

Great piece, Michael. Way against the Zeitgeist and all the better for it.

Posted by: Ms Baroque | Oct 30, 2007 4:34:36 AM

The OP ought to take an economics class. Don’t get me wrong; I love Marx as political theorist and, given the context of the economic and social conditions during the 19th century, he is brilliant and right on target. But my stomach just churns when I read yet another rationalization about how the rich bastardize the values of the middle class, and use their own twisted aims for profit in a grand conspiracy to exploit the poor, rape the environment, and buy a 52 inch plasma TV for their toddler. This was avant-garde over 100 years ago. It’s also been denied time and time again through countless economic theories and empirical studies.

Over-consumption occurs because people are greedy and the market does not correct for the negative externalities (pollution, suburban sprawl, urban decay) that result from our collective binge on ‘stuff’. Sweden is certainly not the answer to our ills—the idea that a small, relatively heterogonous country with compact centers of population has the economic ‘silver bullet’ for a large, diverse, and dispersed population (the united states) is flat out absurd.

Also, the rich don’t stay rich. This is also an economic fact that is backed up by over two hundred years of data. Of the thirty wealthiest individuals in American history, only two are alive: Gates and Buffet, and they sit at 5th and 16th place, respectively. Hell, of the 400 individuals and families on the Fortune 400, only 70 were there 30 years ago.

And the rich as corrupters of government? This isn’t 1907. The largest and most powerful lobby in D.C. is the AARP. 60% of the federal budget goes to entitlement and social welfare programs—up from 20% in 1960. There are certainly problems in American society, but their sources are diverse—I’m sure the rich contribute, but they certainly are not alone.

Posted by: B | Oct 30, 2007 6:58:54 AM

We will never be free until we have destroyed the incentive for production!

Something like that.

Well, off to work!

Posted by: Carlos | Oct 30, 2007 7:46:00 AM

Wow, the self-righteous defenses of avarice in these comments! People, calm down--no one blames you for wanting to be rich. This is a *systemic* analysis of whether our society should allow income disparity to reach such massive levels. Oh, I forgot: the neutral free market takes care of it for us! Please.

Just the other night I had dinner with someone who runs a successful marketing company who admitted to me that her goal, what will make her feel successful, would be having a private jet. I guess this is how we keep score these days. What happened to the faint whiff of impropriety that money used to emit?

What a refreshing piece! Thanks, Michael. It's nice to read thought experiments that consider other possibilities, after a decade or so which have enriched the top quintile to the point where our income distribution is reminiscent of a banana republic. And I agree, the balloon has made American culture crasser and harsher, more "productive" but less intelligent, as a result.

Posted by: Asad Raza | Oct 30, 2007 9:12:13 AM

A note to Ms. Baroque:

No one "forced" you to pay 100 for Microsoft office; you *chose* to make the purchase (presumably because the expense was worth the investment -- i.e., it made *you* better off).

In contrast, I am forced to pay taxes; and these monies are allocated in ways that I do not like.

Finally, your note reveals quite a bit of ignorance about who actually owns Microsoft. Gates is not the only shareholder. Many people and pension funds own shares in that fine company. I don't think that retirees who invested their life savings in companies like MS would be too happy to see MS give their software away for free. Sheesh.

And a note to David, above. Why did I have to pay nearly £100 recently for a copy of Microsoft Office, students edition? That's not exactly cheap, and Gates doesn;t NEED profit margins that high - he already has billions and squillions of money that he got off - oh, yeah - us.

Posted by: David | Oct 30, 2007 10:36:29 AM

Well done Michael Blim!

David,

Isn't it possible to criticize the rich without having to move to a poor country? Or having to move at all?

Ms Baroque,

Mr. Gates came from a very wealthy family and Mr. Branson was educated at a top notch English public school. Don't be naive. Only a tiny few of the very rich constitute a real "rags to riches" story.

B,
The fact that people move in and out of the Fortune 400 does not mean that they become poor. Nothing wrong with being the 401 richest person, is there? Studies show that there is a very defined social strata of the very rich - this is not Feudal France so it's not exactly hereditary , but it is a well defined class within American society. Don't they teach Mill's "The Power Elite" in economics classes these days?
And the Marx reference - really, is it not possible to criticize these insanely rich people without being called communists?

Posted by: dkmy | Oct 30, 2007 10:39:02 AM

What sense does it make to criticize "the rich?" It makes about as much sense as criticizing "the poor" (for being lazy and improvident, etc.)

If one wants to level a criticism against a particular person (rich or poor) for an idea they propose or an action they take, then fine. But this is not what this post does.

No, let's sit back in our comfy chair, enjoying an amount of leisure that few in history have had the chance to enjoy, observe with pathetic envy those among us with greater material well-being, and start typing on our penis-envy frustrations for the world to know (courtesy of the great technological innovations made available to us by this decadent society of ours).

And what do we read? Among other great insights, we learn that even great acts of philanthropy are just hidden acts of predation. Wonderful. Much better to let "the government" take the accumulated wealth, and redistribute it in a wise and benevolent manner. Members of government can be trusted to behave in this manner--unless they're rich, of course. Better to enact policies that make us all poor, I suppose. This experiment has been tried in the past (do people actually have any inkling of the great social experiments of the past?). It does not work. This is not to say that our current system is perfect or beyond reproach. There are many things that deserve criticism. But the inane "arguments" presented in this post offer nothing in the way of constructive criticism.


Posted by: David | Oct 30, 2007 11:27:51 AM

Of course you can criticize their excesses. Can't I in turn point out your shortsightedness?

I'd love to see relative disparities across all countries. It has always seemed to me, in those countries where the most powerful lived little better than our middle class, everybody else lived like dogs. Doesn't seem such a bad deal to trade a pretty decent life for almost everybody for giving a very small subset more than they can ever use. That is, if you can exist like that without the envy killing you from inside.

Posted by: Carlos | Oct 30, 2007 12:27:47 PM

"Members of government can be trusted to behave in this manner--unless they're rich"

Name 2

Posted by: Carlos | Oct 30, 2007 12:32:02 PM

David,
"The rich" not only regularly criticize "the poor", but they have the means and motives to keep them "poor", which they do with remarkable tenacity.
Does the fact that 10 percent of the population hold a staggering 70 (!) percent of wealth seem immaterial to you? Or maybe it's the "poor" whining again?
(http://sociology.ucsc.edu/whorulesamerica/power/wealth.html)
And again with the communist scepter! Who said anything about giving government the means of control?
"No, let's sit back in our comfy chair..."
I'm sorry to break it to you David, bet there are many millions who are not sitting in their "comfy chair" but rather working their asses off to earn what one of these 10 percent people earn in interest in a minute!

Posted by: dkmy | Oct 30, 2007 12:38:02 PM

"In the United States, wealth is highly concentrated in a relatively few hands. As of 2001, the top 1% of households (the upper class) owned 33.4% of all privately held wealth, and the next 19% (the managerial, professional, and small business stratum) had 51%, which means that just 20% of the people owned a remarkable 84%, leaving only 16% of the wealth for the bottom 80% (wage and salary workers). In terms of financial wealth, the top 1% of households had an even greater share: 39.7%."
http://sociology.ucsc.edu/whorulesamerica/power/wealth.html

Posted by: dkmy | Oct 30, 2007 12:48:40 PM

What this article really rails against seems to be the way the (generalized) rich make the (generalized) "rest of us" feel. Can wealth really be legitimately described as "envy - making" without first writing off self determination?

Posted by: ok | Oct 30, 2007 1:04:34 PM

Dear dkmy:

Who are these "rich people" that criticize the poor? Buffet and Gates, perhaps? And even if they did, does this mean that the rest of us need to stoop to this level?

You are correct that wealth is highly concentrated. But this is true in all economies and throughout history; it is not something that can be changed (unless you consider Pol Pot's solution to be the answer).

Moreover, since you are so good with statistics, you will no doubt be aware that material living standards in the US have been rising for all groups for well over a century. Even the poorest American is far better off than their counterparts of a century ago. This is not to deny that the disparity in wealth has not be growing; but so what? If material wealth is not that important for happiness(as so many here want to claim), then be happy with your lot. You live in a society that (for all its imperfections), most throughout the history of mankind would have dearly loved to enjoy.

You ask "who said anything of giving government the means of control?" You have obviously not read the post nor the subsequent comments. And if you do not give the government the power to tax and redistribute, who do you suggest bear this mighty burden? Yourself, perhaps?

Now, stop complaining about what other people earn on their money, and get back to work. Go enjoy your friends and family. Concentrate on the important things in life. Leave the rich to their own misery.

Posted by: David | Oct 30, 2007 1:50:39 PM

David,

Nice piece, I've heard it before, and it still makes sense.

B, your comments probably best counter the basic premise of the article. Bravo, and I hope to hear more from you

Posted by: cru | Oct 30, 2007 2:22:33 PM

Interesting article and the two extremes represented in the letters are interesting too. I had the same reaction as David when I got to the criticisms of Gates, Buffet, and Carnegie – if Blim wants to criticize the ways in which these guys made their money, then he should do so (and some of the criticisms might be valid), but criticizing their philanthropy is ridiculous. Gates and Buffet have made decisions to leave their anscestors rich instead of the super-rich (at least that's what they have said they plan to do). Blim criticizes them for "wanting respect". So, is it more respectable to have your money taken away by the government in taxes than to realize that if you leave your children and grandchildren super-rich they may well end-up like Paris Hilton or George Bush? They are giving their wealth away in an effort to make things better for a lot of people - whether they want it or not - they DESERVE respect. Besides, can Blim make the case that government bureaucracy will dispense money in a wiser or more compassionate fashion than the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation? Does the Gates foundation feed the excesses of the military industrial complex - spending money on weapons systems that the defense department hasn't even asked for? Does it pour money into farm subsidies for wealthy farmers?

But Gates and Buffet are not typical, and as a group the rich give a smaller percentage of their incomes to charity than the lower middle class does. And Pol Pot is a ridiculous straw man - please identify his analog in modern Sweden, David. Furthermore, many of us would be happy to "Leave the rich to their own misery" if the rich would quit using their money to buy off our elected representatives.

Posted by: Tim | Oct 30, 2007 3:15:00 PM

Well-argued (as are some of the comments), and for the most part I agree with the article. But I do think it is not so much the rich (as people) who are the problem as the simple accumulation of wealth itself.

Many middle class and poor people would commit all the sins of the rich, if they only had the power.

On the other hand, even the best of people, with the best of intent, can hardly avoid doing damage if they have wealth, simply because the balance of power is then so unfairly tilted.

Which of us doesn't, for example, get the best health care we can for our families?

But when the rich do this, it creates boutiques, because they have that kind of money.

Most of us would gladly pull a string to get our child into a good school, but we can't afford the kind of donations that deeply corrupt the system.

The problem, finally, is that wealth is power, and when power pools (84% in the wealthiest hands, as dkmy points out), democracy is in danger, as is education, and culture, and all those things which can be damaged by too much control in too few hands.

Posted by: Ken Watts | Oct 30, 2007 4:13:21 PM

Dear David,
First of all, I agree that the rich must endure their own miseries. Or perhaps they just hire someone to endure them for them?
By my "government means of control" comment I meant Total government control - as suggested by you, or did I misunderstand your "great social experiments of the past" remark?
Turning criticism of this system by which 20 percent of the population own 84 percent of wealth into pro communist or pro Pol Pot (!) ideology is just avoiding the issue. The post does not suggest anything of the kind, nor do I.
As is the notion that since we are better off than our ancestors we should just shut up.
By the same logic, should we stop medical research and just be blissfully content with what we have achieved so far?
The fact that this discrepancy only merits a shrug and a "so what?" from you only shows to me that you could use a little compassion to the plight of the other 80 percent.
The economic might enjoyed by the very rich is married to political and military power. The interests of the very rich are inherently different from those of the poor or of the vast majority which is barley getting along, and by their wealth they have the means and the opportunity to control policy (all policy, military, social and political) in such a way as befits them, and not the majority.

Perhaps the fact that the US is the only G-8 country that allows 47 million people (15.8% of the total population) to go without any form of health insurance is something that can arouse your interest in some sort of reform? Perhaps the fact that 45 percent of Americans do not have pension plans?

Or perhaps more statistics (good at them...) as to the blissful state of american society and economy:
USA Ranking on Adult Literacy Scale: #9
(#1 Sweden and #2 Norway)- OECD
USA Ranking on Healthcare Quality Index: #37
(#1 France and #2 Italy)- World Health Organization 2003
USA Ranking of Student Reading Ability: #12
(#1 Finland and #2 South Korea)- OECD PISA 2003
USA Ranking of Student Problem Solving Ability: #26
(#1 South Korea and #2 Finland)- OECD PISA 2003
USA Ranking on Student Mathematics Ability: # 24
(#1 Hong Kong and #2 Finland)- OECD PISA 2003
USA Ranking of Student Science Ability: #19
(#1 Finland and #2 Japan)- OECD PISA 2003
USA Ranking on Women's Rights Scale: #17
(#1 Sweden and #2 Norway)- World Economic Forum Report
USA Position on Timeline of Gay Rights Progress: # 6 (1997)
(#1 Sweden 1987 and #2 Norway 1993)- Vexen
USA Ranking on Life Expectancy: #29
(#1 Japan and #2 Hong Kong)- UN Human Development Report 2005
USA Ranking on Journalistic Press Freedom Index: #32
(#1 Finland, Iceland, Norway and the Netherlands tied)- Reporters Without Borders 2005
USA Ranking on Political Corruption Index: #17
(#1 Iceland and #2 Finland)- Transparency International 2005
USA Ranking on Quality of Life Survey: #13
(#1 Ireland and #2 Switzerland)- The Economist Magazine ...Wikipedia "Celtic Tiger" if you still have your doubts.
USA Ranking on Environmental Sustainability Index: #45
(#1 Finland and #2 Norway)- Yale University ESI 2005
USA Ranking on Overall Currency Strength: #3 (US Dollar)
(#1 UK pound sterling and #2 European Union euro)- FTSE 2006....the dollar is now a liability, so many banks worldwide have planned to switch to euro)
USA Ranking on Infant Mortality Rate: #32
(#1 Sweden and #2 Finland)- Save the Children Report 2006
USA Ranking on Human Development Index (GDP, education, etc.): #10
(#1 Norway and #2 Iceland)- UN Human Development Report 2005

You remind me a bit of Voltaire's Dr. Pangloss, who insists that we are living in the best of all possible worlds. Well, I think it's time to wake up and smell the poverty.

Posted by: dkmy | Oct 30, 2007 4:34:33 PM

Oh David, stop being such a mandarin with your generalizations about "all economies throughout history."

Income disparities between ordinary workers and executives have increased by an order of magnitude in the last twenty years. Has that changed American culture? I think indisputably.

Perhaps you don't think this is so, or don't favor more steeply graduated taxes, or some other thing. But at least don't represent any social critique as transgressing the inevitable and natural order of things. That's silly.

Posted by: Asad Raza | Oct 30, 2007 4:56:57 PM

pure rubbish

>>They make legislatures dysfunctional, regulatory authorities their watchdogs, and professions their poodles. They corrupt presidents. They even corrupt each other, as corporate heads are bribed with board positions and in turn protect the interests of the company that bribed them.

I get paid $400 an hour for SAP project management. Sorry, but I've never corrupted a president or bribed a board member.

They lady who wrote Harry Potter is pretty rich too. I bet she must have corrupted lots of presidents. lol

Idiot!

Posted by: Max | Oct 30, 2007 6:02:26 PM

Micheal Blim;
Congratulations! You've tossed a grade A fox into a grade A henhouse. Great fireworks! The sight of intelligent people rushing to the defense of self-centered maniacs who can hire lawyers and mercenaries at less of a personal outlay than most of us can afford for a baby-sitter...well it just says something about how close the dreams of avarice are to the human heart...or some human, all too human, hearts.
Folks...when I'm not employed at my downsized profession I go off and do temp manual labour for about $0.50 above minimum wage. It's great! I love manual labour and I get to be in parts of town where I'd never be invited to. I've worked on more mansions than I care to think. These fools live large but at what I'm being paid why aren't I working on schools and hospitals?...Who needs a refresher on the effects of Chicago School Economics on the public infrastructure? You see, the last time the North American economy got this unbalanced some smart guys came up with a "New Deal" and a slew of public improvement projects. Now; you're supposed to be grateful that some rich clown has hired you to dig out his new swimming pool! Sorry for the intemperate tone of this post but personal experience has a bad effect on my ability to appreciate the beauty of the flow of capital and the magnificence of the market.

Posted by: Pete Chapman | Oct 30, 2007 6:05:54 PM

Pete Chapman: Get an education and then a real job; stop whining.

Asad Raza: I've never been called a Mandarin before; thanks for the compliment! (Also, you should look up the definition of "an order of magnitude." You obviously do not know what this means; or are completely ignornant of actual wealth statistics).

Dkmy: Voltaire is one of my favorites; but I'm no Panglossian, I assure you.

Tim: You say that the problem is with the rich buying off our politicians. I say the problem is with our politicians who are willing to be bought off. And your solution is what...to put more power in the hands of politicians? Or would you prefer to have the power yourself. You frighten me (well, not really)).

Have to run, but looking forward to more fun...

Posted by: David | Oct 30, 2007 6:20:00 PM

Asad and dkmy,

I think it’s important to clarify a few things:

First, there certainly is a problem of income inequality in the United States. The real point of contention is what ought to be done to remedy this problem, which is essentially a market failure to distribute wealth equally (or semi-equally, I think we could go on about rights vs. equality forever). Perhaps the most interesting article I’ve read on the issue points out that levels income inequality exists in almost perfect harmony with levels of education.

This has been the case for the last 80 years, but with the rise of 20th century globalization and computerization, the economic divide has grown exponentially. It is a simple fact that you can no longer live a middle class life with a simple high school education, as you could in decades past. Our public education system fails to prepare a vast number of American’s for our modern work force, and they suffer economically. Too few high school students enroll in a post graduate education—be it college or technical school. Those who do go on to post graduate education can expect to earn 40,000 dollars a year or more—those who don’t doom themselves to cyclical, consuming poverty.

Likewise, there are a host of other problems that encourage economic inequality: the war on drugs, suburban sprawl, urban decay and abhorrent city planning, to name a few. The average American spends 30% of his income on automobile purchases and maintenance—that’s almost 10,000 dollars a year! I find that number to be sickening, and it is primarily the result of the cancerous sprawl that has been the law of the land for the past 40 years.

It is also important to note that a highly progressive income tax does nothing to the super rich. They (for the most part) do not have an income like a lawyer or baker; rather, they live off of capital gains. But the capital gains tax is unjust: take, for example, two entrepreneurs who make 1 million dollars a year. One lives it large; buying a glut of houses, cars, clothes, and other luxuries to a degree that would make Paris Hilton proud. The other saves his money, lives frugally, and builds a nest egg for his children and his family. Guess who pays more taxes? The man who saves. How is that socially just? Is that they type of behavior the tax system should be discouraging?

Rule #1 of economics: People respond to incentives. Our current tax system encourages excess. What we need is a higher sales tax and a carbon tax—the basic premise of a Pigovian tax is that the tax corrects for a negative market externality—in this case, absurd over-consumption.

Finally, I am sorry if it appeared that I was trying to smear the OP as a communist. I was not. I simply have a strong distaste for the post-marxist rhetoric that firmly anchors certain members of economic left in the 19th century. I consider myself something of an economic centrist, and its incredibly discouraging to see American social issues painted in such a manner. That rhetoric gets you nowhere, if you’re going to convince people you need to speak their rhetorical ‘language’. I want income inequality to decrease, but it won’t happen anytime soon if the rest of the country sees your side as a simple rehash of communism.

Posted by: B | Oct 30, 2007 7:24:39 PM

Reminds me of the fabulous New Yorker cartoon of an old man on his deathbed uttering his last words: "I should have bought more crap!"
Bonus quote: i think it's F. Scott Fitzgerald who wrote "The rich are poor people with money"...

Posted by: jean-paul | Oct 31, 2007 7:53:13 AM

Hello All: Want to thank all of your for engaging in debate, and thanks for taking my column seriously enough to use it as your base. Kudos!

I would like to ask some of my critics to rise above ad hominem arguments. I may be an idiot and a nincompoop, but I think a little over a 1,000 words isn't quite proof yet.

That said, there are some very interesting queries and criticisms.

On college entry slots. Yes, the demand for college slots is this year the highest it has been in a quarter of a century. All the more reason, however, why people will cut corners and use their historic advantages as alumni donors and/or philanthropists to set up their son/daughter/niece, etc. Is merit better? Yes, it meets the simple requirement of fairness, a nice concept that doesn't rely on strange tests and tortured arguments.
It also coincides with the Constitution and general norms of the US.

Then, there is an allocation argument. Suppose that the reason people are trying to get into elite schools is because the education is better. Suppose American society needs smart, highly qualified people to take leading roles in its businesses and institutions. For purposes of efficiency, it makes sense to award slots on merit; it is the best allocation of resources on the hypothesis that the best students' talents will be maximized in making society better for all of us.

And yes, I would abandon sports scholarships, for instance, as well as other special admission qualifications that do not fit the educational mission of colleges and universities, as I see it thus far.

I also find the qualification of "well-rounded" used as a criterion in some college admissions processes suspect. Some smart people are not well-rounded. Others may have interests that have nothing to do with academic achievement and carry a certain class bias (polo players, for example). Since people's notions of well-roundedness vary widely, this poses another serious problems for fair treatment under this criterion, and another reason thus for abandoning it.

Be that as it may, I think it is up to my critics to apply Occam's razor to their ripostes. Provide me with a solution as simple and normatively acceptable as my fairness.

Second, economics is subtended as are all social concerns under moral criteria? This is no attack on economic methods, studies, and so on, that assume efficiency, marginalist economic theories, and so on. All for it. Afterwards, however, economic solutions should be submitted to politics for normative judgment. In fact, they are, though given the highly ideological tone of our times, people pretend the that their favored solutions are either strictly technical or necessary for functioning, instead of addressing the moral question dead-on.

It happens now. Ethics has been embedded in American politics and government since the Declaration of Independence. Again the burden falls to my critics to provide instances where this is not so.

Harrison Bergeron: a bit below the belt, don't you think? I am not proposing promoting buckshot-bearing ballerinas here. I make two points. Equal opportunity for great ballerinas. Second, leveling the playing field so that rich ballerinas who look like they have buckshot underneath their tutus are not gracing the stage simply because of their wealth and greatly enhanced training opportunities. Great art is about excellence too, and once more, the only complaint I think my critics can validly make is that many poor people beat the odds and end up on stage. To anticipate the response, never at the rate they could be expected to if income and family econmic security did not prove a barrier.

This costs money, and to paraphrase the bank robber who robs banks because that's where the money is, the rich have a lot of the resources that could make more economic equality possible.

The philanthropy question. I support it to the extent that its goals and programs are adjudicated democratically and address the question of equal opportunity. Yes, I would rather tax Gates and Buffett (Buffett I believe supports this)and democratically manage the money than cede the making of public policy to unelected elites. Foundation-based philanthropy has become a rather insidious way of redirecting public policy in a chain of politics that leads right to the White House, where it is legitimated more than analyzed. Studies are great (I am a social scientist after all and believe in empirical analysis), but again this is also a question of power, and who can translate their visions into practice. Suppose Gates were wrong about a malaria vaccine, or the vaccine he might favor. The marketplace of ideas consists now of behind the scenes exchange; it is not a democratic marketplace of ideas, to quote Justice Holmes (I believe). You cannot vote Gates out or relieve him of say the directorship of medical research for catastrophic diseases. He can tell you, however, who would make a good director. Would you say no? If you did, would you keep your job?

Should responsible rich people be able to keep their money? Sure, if this consists of funds not collected under highly progressive income and wealth taxes progressively (with capital gains that could be taxed as income so long as the rates were high enough). After all, what is deserving? Are there not deserving cab drivers, child care aids, automobile workes, and so on? Virtue is all over, and rich virtue really doesn't thus become a special criterion that supercedes the needs for equality and the destruction of privilege.

No, I don't think all people are greedy and directed solely by their interests. Even on economist Gary Becker's own terms, are children really good investments for parental old age care in a world where they are prohibitively expensive? Altruism in the most immediate and common case sugges that it is easy to discover, and this is a big problem for the greedy human nature argument. It would be nice to see some new evidence re that hypothesis.

Corruption. I have worked with state legislators in a prior life. I read the papers now about how lobbyists are asked in to write major legislation in our federal Congress. Americans accept lobbies as normal parts of the democratic process, which, if no money were involved, I would think would be fine. But as the former congressman from Long Island Downey said for the record (rough paraphrase here): campaign contributions and other emoluments aren't bribery because Congress defines what bribery is and hardly wants to put itself in jail. Doing something because someone gives you money to do it in a democratic process is corruption, I believe, and inimical to the public interest. It is hard to prove the quid pro quo: so the best alternative is to ban it altogether. And, hey, I am not keen on the AARP throwing its weight around either, if it involves money.

The correlate is campaign spending. It is laughable to call it an exercise of free speech, because it is neither free nor is it political speech of the type as the Constitution for 2 centuries protects, according to the Supreme Court. A ban is necessary.

I might also note that critics made no objections to my discussion of corruption in medical institutions. I also note that no one made the case for conspicuous consumption. Glad about that.

Yes, our Gini index showing our extraordinary economic inequality puts us up there with former Soviet republics, China, and authoritarian regimes where the rich form a cabal with military elites. Thinking here of Pakistan as an present instance, or Stroessner's Paraguay for an historical example. Patrimonial states such as Saudi Arabia are other candidate members. It's not pretty. Recall that econmic inequality is related to all sorts of deleterious medical conditions, education deprivation, unskilled and under-utilized labor forces, and so on. Their presence in large numbers in societies bring down standard of living for all, as well as the moral character of society.

On my tone, point of reference, and so on. I try never to make an argument I cannot prove or suggest how it can be proven. I think that separates me from many sorts of ideologues. And NB: Scandinavia is a middle class paradise of which Marx would have heartily disapproved.

Once more, I would encourage readers and writers to stick to the arguments. If I can quote the Chinese leader Deng Xiaoping, certainly the most important capitalists of his time: "I don't care whether the cat is black or white, so long as it catches the mice."

Thanks again. And check in when you can, as I am going to try to take on new situations following this general line of argument.

Posted by: Michael Blim | Oct 31, 2007 1:29:15 PM

Politicians aren't the only thing for sale; now you can also rent demonstrators:

http://www.spiegel.de/international/0,1518,460449,00.html

Posted by: Vicki Baker | Oct 31, 2007 2:16:57 PM

A number of people in this thread seem to be laboring under misconceptions.

Asad and Michael Blim and others are not poor. Nobody posting on this thread is actually poor, as far as I can tell. That fact that Asad can go to dinner with friends who dream of owning their own private jet is a pretty good indication that he is not poor. None of them are communists either, as far as I can tell.

The median household income in the US was $48,200 in 2006. That's the median, where half of households are above it and half beneath it. I imagine almost everyone posting on this thread is significantly above the median.

Telling people who don't earn a lot of money to "Get an education and then a real job; stop whining." is showing contempt for people who don't make as much as you. That's what people mean when they criticize rich people for criticizing the poor. The intention is to associate weath with merit and honor, so that those who have less wealth are defective in some way, usually morally.

B, the rich do stay rich, and instead to continue to stay rich. Income mobility in the US has been going steadily downward over the last few decades and is now worse than in many European countries. Look at the discussion of the estate tax. Only the extremely wealthy are affected by the tax, and that's why a few extremely wealthy families put together $70 million dollars to lobby for the repeal of the estate tax, and _succeeded_, at least for one year. The tax system has been made considerably less progressive, and the differing rates for capital gains versus wage income greatly benefit the wealthy.

It does not track directly with education. Globalization is a red herring and cannot explain the increasing inequality.

B describes the inequalities of the current system, but seems unable to explain why the US tax system has become less progressive over time. This didn't just happen - rich people made it happen by influencing the political system.

The current taxation system in the US is much less progressive than it was fifty years ago, and this is on purpose. Wealthy people have influenced the system so that they can accumulate more wealth.

Posted by: Hektor Bim | Oct 31, 2007 3:34:12 PM

Forgot to mention something. The problem isn't rich people, per se. The problem is gross concentrations of wealth (and thus power) and the problem of self-perpetuating elites, like the Bush family, etc. That's why attacks on the estate tax are so blatant. The whole point of the estate tax is to prevent a self-perpetuating idle class, and that's precisely why many wealthy people want to destroy it.

If people want to understand what a country looks like where the wealthy can avoid paying taxes and people retain wealth over generations, look to Latin America. Brazil is the model. If everyone but the wealthy is poor, servants are cheaper to hire and don't get uppity.

Posted by: Hektor Bim | Oct 31, 2007 3:38:01 PM

Great article! It makes most of the points to be found in a collection of Balzac novels, but it's way shorter!

Posted by: airshowfan | Oct 31, 2007 4:46:05 PM

Michael, thanks for potentiating all this -- a rich theme for you to keep mining, obviously. Glad to hear there will be more from you on the subject. It's yummy to contemplate a world without the rich, but I would be even better pleased to contemplate additional ways of making untrue the Marxist prophesy of a two-tiered economy that becomes every year more more manifest.

Posted by: Elatia Harris | Oct 31, 2007 4:50:38 PM

Michael Blim:

Your most recent post reveals that you are in fact more sensible than your initial post (an idiotic broadside against "the rich") would suggest. If you want to get serious, then let's talk.

Both Galbraith and Veblen levelled provocative and well-deserved critiques against "the rich." Although here, I cannot help recall Solow's remark Solow once wrote that Galbraith's disdain for ordinary consumer goods "Galbraith reminds one of the Duchess who, upon acquiring a full appreciation of sex, asked the Duke if it were not perhaps too good for the common people."

You never did provide a definition of "rich" (presumably you were referring to the relatively small group of mega-billionaires). Or perhaps you were also referring to millionaires. Have you ever read the book "The Millionaire Next Door"? According to this study, the typical millionaire in the U.S. drives a Ford and lives very modestly. In short, the bulk of accumulated wealth comes from people who work hard and save. These people, many of whom contribute generously to charity, should be accorded our respect; not our disdain.

For data on the distribution of income, I encourage you to visit Sala-i-Martin's webpage:
.columbia.edu/~xs23/Indexmuppet.htm; and in particular, the link that plots the world distribution of income:
http://www.columbia.edu/~xs23/WDI/incomeDistrAnimation_DRAFT_030924_.exe (Note: this is an executable file).

An abstract of one of his paper reads:
"We estimate the world distribution of income by integrating individual income distributions for 125 countries between 1970 and 1998. We estimate poverty rates and headcounts by integrating the density function below the $1/day and $2/day poverty lines. We find that poverty rates decline substantially over the last twenty years. We compute poverty headcounts and find that the number of one-dollar poor declined by 235 million between 1976 and 1998. The number of $2/day poor declined by 450 million over the same period.

We analyze poverty across different regions and countries. Asia is a great success, especially after 1980. Latin America reduced poverty substantially in the 1970s but progress stopped in the 1980s and 1990s. The worst performer was Africa, where poverty rates increased substantially over the last thirty years: the number of $1/day poor in Africa increased by 175 million between 1970 and 1998, and the number of $2/day poor increased by 227. Africa hosted 11% of the world’s poor in 1960. It hosted 66% of them in 1998.

We estimate eight indexes of income inequality implied by our world distribution of income. All of them show substantial reductions in global income inequality during the 1980s and 1990s."

As I mentioned earlier, I am no Dr. Pangloss; i.e., none of this data suggests that there is no room for reform. One may legitimately debate what sort of reforms might be desirable, keeping in mind that well-intentioned reforms frequently have undesirable and unintended consequences.

What sort of alternative socio-economic models are desirable and practical? This is a good question. Many people point to Sweden. But during my last visit to Sweden, I encountered many locals who complained that their system was subject to increasing abuse from foreigners (suggesting that the model is unsustainable). Moreover, their high-tax regime is leading to the inevitable outflow of talent and corporate headquarters to lower tax juristictions. Still, this is no nail-in-the-coffin for Sweden.

One might also look at Ireland, traditionally an economic basket-case. The radical tax cuts implemented in that country have led to an unprecented boom (an expansion of wealth shared broadly across the population). For the first time in a long time, people are actually moving back to Ireland.

Others point to Cuba. Few people can seriously claim that Castro did nothing right (health and education measures appear pretty good). And yet, why do some Cubans prefer to risk their lives to leave Cuba (by embarking on dangerous boat journeys to Florida)? I might add that one does not see the "poor" in the US embarking on dangerous journeys to Cuba. Rather than citing various UN indexes concerning the quality of life across countries, I prefer to observe how people "vote with their feet." The fact is that the US, with all its problems, is still the preferred destination for most of world's poor. Surely this tells us something.

Posted by: David | Nov 1, 2007 11:41:05 AM

David: I don't know where the vitriol comes from, but it sure spoils a conversation.

Posted by: michael Blim | Nov 1, 2007 5:47:33 PM

Michael:

I presume that you are referring to my calling your original post "idiotic." Let me apologize for this. Let me just say that I found your original post less than useful. Your second post was much better; and I think I responded accordingly by pointing to various facts on which to build a debate. I'll leave it up to you to decide whether you wish to address the points raised.

Posted by: David | Nov 1, 2007 7:47:03 PM

David,

Michael can -- obviously -- take care of himself, but meanwhile I'm reading this, and I have a few words for you.

Calling someone's writing "idiotic" is not such a great foundation to build dialog on, even if you subsequently mitigate that opinion by allowing that their thinking has improved. This thread isn't a Skinner box, where trying to keep someone off-balance results in their wanting to cuddle.

You have dumped on other people than Michael -- one man in particular who wrote that his downsizing profession was forcing low-paying moonlighting gigs on him. You must not have ever been there, David, or you would know first-person that struggling to regroup so that you can stay active in your profession can involve some desperate measures. Your advice to this man was to "get an education and a real job and stop whining." The man has an education and a real job -- with fewer hours than he needs; he was talking about the exigencies of the changing workplace. Your response was mighty unendearing, combining as it did evidence that you missed the writer's point and that you like speaking harshly to people in difficult circumstances.

Similar instances of discourtesy to others -- vitriol is the perfect word -- appear in your several comments. I am kind of wondering if you know how witty a commenter has to be before that's remotely OK. I am addressing this comment to you because you seem strangely disconnected from the very reality you have brought about here -- that is, the more vitriol and lack of insight you display, the less people will want a conversation with you.

Posted by: Elatia Harris | Nov 1, 2007 8:46:02 PM

David, the non-Panglossian, has actually shown a marked improvement from his previous "stop whining/get a job" stance to his admission that "...none of this data suggests that there is no room for reform."

Give him more time and he might even show a glimmer of compassion.

I actually found his "people swim from Cuba to the US so we must be doing great" amusing.

Apparently, the fact that people prefer to be poor in the US rather than in Cuba is considered a pinnacle of economic achievement. People "voting with their feet" (!) as the man said.

Too bad he stopped short of describing the delightful life awaiting these illegal immigrants as they alight on the sunny shores of Florida.

Posted by: dkmy | Nov 2, 2007 4:20:41 AM

Dkmy:

Where did I say that "people swim from Cuba so "we" must be doing great?" (By the way, I am Canadian; not American).

And while you appear to have some hope for me, I'm afraid that I cannot say the same for you. You have made no attempt to offer any substantive comments on the data I made available to you. Perhaps you are too afraid of what you might find there?

Posted by: David | Nov 2, 2007 11:19:54 AM

David, you have made no attempt to offer any substantive comments on the data dkmy made available to you. Perhaps you are too afraid of what you might find there?

I'm not going to get otherwise involved in this debate, because points I would make have been articulated already. But for the record, David, your comments are colored with a sneering contempt which is not conducive to a civil debate. Few experiences are more exciting than discussing an issue with someone whose viewpoint differs drastically from yours; if it is a healthy discourse in which all parties keep an open mind, people will not necessarily agree but they will take away fresh perspective and a refined grasp of the issue. Conversely, few experiences are more disappointing than having such a conversation thwarted by intractable condescension.

Posted by: Trish | Nov 2, 2007 12:38:19 PM

Trish: you make a valid point; and so, let me address the earlier points made by dkmy (his/her statements in quotes).

"First of all, I agree that the rich must endure their own miseries. Or perhaps they just hire someone to endure them for them?"

Very funny.

"By my "government means of control" comment I meant Total government control - as suggested by you, or did I misunderstand your "great social experiments of the past" remark?"

The great social experiments in the past I was referring to were the attempts to allocate resources on the basic of some centralized authority (at the expense of individual freedoms). There is no such thing as a benevolent dictator. Concentrations of power must be avoided. This is a central theme of the U.S. constitution (at least, as orignially conceived by the founders). Calls for "government action" to do this or that need to be put forth with due caution.

Let me be more specific. In a subsequent post, Blim softens his stance on private philanthropy. Yet, he continues to support taxing Gates and Buffet, and having the resources allocated by "democratic" means. What does he mean here exactly? Are we to trust the government to allocate these resources toward their best use? Blim asks "what if Gates is wrong about a malaria vaccine?" Sure, he might be. But at least he is using his own money. Conversely, what if the government is wrong about an aids vaccine? They will have squandered money that they did not earn. And what is to stop the government from taxing even more money to finance their pet projects? At least Gates is limited in his power to generate income by the demand for the products he sells. To me, Blim appears to take an inconsistent stance. He is distrustful of a government that falls prey to the "rich;" and yet, at the same time, he wants this same government to tax the rich. Why should be put such faith in people who can be corrupted so easily?

"Turning criticism of this system by which 20 percent of the population own 84 percent of wealth into pro communist or pro Pol Pot (!) ideology is just avoiding the issue. The post does not suggest anything of the kind, nor do I.
As is the notion that since we are better off than our ancestors we should just shut up."

I was not trying to avoid the issue; I was using "Pol Pot" as a metaphor for a self-appointed "benevolent" dictator. This is related to my earlier point.

"By the same logic, should we stop medical research and just be blissfully content with what we have achieved so far?"

I do not believe I was suggesting this.

"The fact that this discrepancy only merits a shrug and a "so what?" from you only shows to me that you could use a little compassion to the plight of the other 80 percent."

You suggest that 80% of Americans are in a state of "plight." If you take a look at the data I sent you, you may change your mind (and this is not to dispute the fact that some Americans are in plight).

"The economic might enjoyed by the very rich is married to political and military power. The interests of the very rich are inherently different from those of the poor or of the vast majority which is barley getting along, and by their wealth they have the means and the opportunity to control policy (all policy, military, social and political) in such a way as befits them, and not the majority."

And yet, if you look at the data, material living standards in the US are among the highest in the world. If you wish to compare the US to a state of Nirvana, then there is no contest. But try to put things in historical context. Yes, some things are bad. Perhaps many things are bad. But these same things have always been bad; and some improvements have been made too. How does it serve debate to ignore the positive and accentuate the negative? A more balanced perspective is called for.

"Perhaps the fact that the US is the only G-8 country that allows 47 million people (15.8% of the total population) to go without any form of health insurance is something that can arouse your interest in some sort of reform? Perhaps the fact that 45 percent of Americans do not have pension plans?"

I am Canadian and am proud of the fact that all my countrymen are covered. I believe that the U.S. should do likewise.

Dkmy also cites a number of statistics relating to the U.S. ranking along several measures of "quality of life." I am not about to dispute these measures. I have indicated several times that my position is not that nothing should be done. I have also pointed out that Dkmy ignores an important measure: the propensity for people to vote with their feet. His response was essentially to suggest that Cubans were stupid to risk their lives moving to Florida. O.K., perhaps they are, but I'm not sure that these Cubans would take kindly to the insult.

Posted by: David | Nov 2, 2007 1:34:45 PM

David,

I've read with interest the data you referred to - dashing photo of Sala-i-Martin btw! - and found a reference on his page to an article from The Economist (http://columbia.edu/~xs23/papers/worldistribution/Economist%20March%202004.htm), which, among other things, states that:

"Calculations by the World Bank, using direct surveys of households, carry the official imprimatur of the UN, which uses them in monitoring progress towards its Millennium Development Goal on poverty. And they seem to show relatively little reduction in poverty over recent decades.

A paper by Shaohua Chen and Martin Ravallion of the Bank lays out the thinking behind the Bank's estimates. The authors put the proportion of people living on less than a dollar a day at 28% in 1987—far higher than the corresponding figure according to Mr Sala-i-Martin's work. By 1998, the proportion in poverty had in fact fallen (something which you might not guess if you listened only to those who deplore the wickedness of global capitalism), but only to 24%. Compare that with Mr Sala-i-Martin's estimate of just 7%."

Hmmm... perhaps the figures are not as clean cut as they seem? Just a quick reminder (however you interpret the data), that we are talking about incomes of around 1$ a day. The vast spoils of our global capitalist society!

We could argue endlessly about world poverty statistics and their interpretation, but I feel we are missing the point.

The point is that a fraction of society have more than can ever be used to any purpose by them or their offspring in generations of conspicuous consumption, while 47 million people cannot afford decent medical care (but you are Canadian, so you're covered. Good for you).

The point is that a fraction of society wields overwhelming political, military and financial might while four fifths (!) of the population don't.

The point is that this fraction of society has succeeded in making people like you believe that this is actually a good thing.

The point being made by the author was that the public has the ability to undermine the rich classes stronghold on society, if only it would fully realize the damage done.

He sums up:

"Instead of stripping the rich of their predatory and envy-making wealth, several hundred million Americans put their hopes and dreams into a chase after wealth and an orgy of conspicuous consumption. No more just social order emerges. No, instead the rich and their divine right are affirmed. After all, how can you be against wealth and predatory power if you chase it? Millions of American lives are wrecked in emulating the rich and pursuing their path. Millions more may not emulate the rich, but the rich and their wannabees economically and socially run them over anyway in the great chase for wealth and power. The poor, the working classes, hell, everyone in the bottom four fifths of American society are exploited by the rich at the same time they are upbraided for falling behind. You’d have to be a swell not to notice that the rich create a standard of living that only the rich can afford."

Your reaction to this was to term him a "nincompoop".

I find that the style and callousness of your writing embodies (almost to the point of parody) a world view that unquestioningly embraces the ethics (I use the term reluctantly) of the rich. In a way, you are not to blame. You are constantly bombarded with propaganda designed to either deny the validity of criticism or to, incredibly, lay the blame on the have-nots. And you succumb to this propaganda, just like the several hundred millions the author alludes to.

The author does not call for a communist leveling of the playing field nor for the appointment of a Pol Pot-like "benevolent dictatorship". But surely some sort of correction is required here?

You state that accentuating the negative over the positive does not serve the debate. But turning a blind eye to the negative is much worse, and helps perpetuate gross inequality.

Posted by: dkmy | Nov 2, 2007 6:43:44 PM

David,

I alluded before to C. Wright Mills classic "The power Elite".

Here is a (rather long) excerpt from the chapter dealing with "The corporate rich":

"On the bottom level of the money system one never has enough money, which is the key link in the hand-to-mouth way of existence. One is, in a sense, below the money system -never having enough money to be firmly a part of it.

On the middle levels, the money system often seems an endless treadmill. One never gets enough; 8,000$ this year seems to place one in no better straits than did 6,000$ the last. There are suspicions among people on such levels, that were they to make 15,000$, they would still be on the treadmill, trapped in the money system.

But above a certain point in the scale of wealth, there is a qualitative break: the rich come to know that they have so much that they simply do not have to think about money at all: it is only they that have truly won the money game; they are above the struggle. It is not too much to say that in a pecuniary society, only then are men in a position to be free. Acquisition as a form of experience and all that it demands no longer need to be a chain. They can be above the money system, above the scramble on the treadmill: for them it is no longer true that the more they have, the harder it seems to make ends meet. Taht is the way we define the rich as personal consumers.

For the very poor, the ends of necessity never meet, For the middle classes there are always new ends, if not of necessity, of status. For the very rich, the ends have never been separated, and within the limits of the common human species, they are today as free as any Americans.

...To be truly rich is to possess the means of realizing in big ways one's little whims and fantasies and sicknesses. "Wealth has great priviliges", Balzac once remarked, "and the most enviable of them all is the power of carrying out thoughts and feelings to the uttermost; of quickening sensibility by fulfilling it's myraid caprices". The rich, like other men, are perhaps more simply human than otherwise. But their toys are bigger; they have more of them; they have more of them all at once.

...We simply must believe that the American rich are happy, else our confidence in the whole endeavor might be shaken.

For all the possible values of human society, one and one only is truly sovereign, truly universal, truly sound, truly and completely acceptable goal of man in America. That goal is money, and let there be no sour grapes about it from the losers."
(Oxford University press, 2000, pp.163-164)

This was written in 1956. Any of it sound familiar to you?

Posted by: dkmy | Nov 3, 2007 11:06:16 AM

Dkmy:
I’m glad that you enjoyed Sali-i-Martin’s webpage. He is quite the character (and a highly respected scholar).
As you point out, all measures of extreme poverty have generally been declining over time (even if different measures do not agree on the level). Your bias is made evident in your statement that the poverty that does exist is a result of “the vast spoils of our global capitalist society.”
If you click on the executable file on Sali-i-Martin’s webpage that shows the evolution of the distribution of income across time for several countries, you’ll see that (with the exception of sub-Saharan Africa), the rich are getting richer – and that the poor are getting richer too. This is in stark contrast to pre-capitalist societies, which were characterized predominantly by most of the population living at subsistence levels (and a much more even distribution of income; i.e., almost everyone was equally poor). Things are not perfect, of course. But people are generally benefiting from the expansion in global trade. This is corroborated by non-income measures of living standards, such as falling child-mortality rates, increased longevity rates, increased education rates, etc. I don’t know about you, but I call this progress (not perfection). It is important, I think, that current discussions are placed in this broader context.
Now let me address your specific points (relating to Blim’s original post).
“The point is that a fraction of society have more than can ever be used to any purpose by them or their offspring in generations of conspicuous consumption, while 47 million people cannot afford decent medical care (but you are Canadian, so you're covered. Good for you).”
I do not believe that this was Blim’s point (you, Blim and myself can all agree that these 47 million people should be covered). Blim’s point, as I understand it, was that these 47 million are not covered owing to a conspiracy of some vaguely defined group of “rich” people. I do not buy into his conspiracy theory.
“The point is that a fraction of society wields overwhelming political, military and financial might while four fifths (!) of the population don't.”
At the risk of being called a Mandarin again, I should like to point out that this statement applies generally to almost every society in history that I am aware of. It was certainly true in pre-capitalist societies. It is still true (but less so) in many democratic-based capitalist societies. It most certainly is true in most modern-day non-capitalist societies (like Cuba and the former Soviet Union). I’m not sure why the U.S. should be singled out in this regard.
“The point is that this fraction of society has succeeded in making people like you believe that this is actually a good thing.”
I like to think of myself as an independent thinker (although, like anyone, my thoughts have obviously been influenced by past thinkers). I am currently of the view that less attention should be placed on the fact that wealth and power are highly concentrated, and more attention should be placed on how various institutions are capable of dealing with this immutable fact for the benefit of broader society.
“The point being made by the author was that the public has the ability to undermine the rich classes stronghold on society, if only it would fully realize the damage done.”
And my point would be that this is an extremely naïve view. You can kill the rich if you want, but the facts show that they will only be replaced by a new power group (as in revolutionary Russia, China, Cuba, etc.). You may advocate more modest reforms, along the lines of Canada and Sweden, but you should recognize the new problems that arise in such systems (For example, while I have free access to medical care in Canada, the queues are so long that I must wait months and possibly longer before being serviced). Be careful what you wish for.
To step back a bit and put Blim in broader perspective, one can obviously see the influence of Marx and Veblen in his writings. Both Marx and Veblen were two of history’s most original and provocative thinkers. But keep in mind that both of these great scholars were writing at times of great social upheavals (Industrial Revolution and the age of the Robber Baron). I would venture to guess that both of them, if they were alive today, would be absolutely astounded at the progress that has been made in terms of living standards enjoyed by the general population. Being the good social scientists that I believe they were, they would likely have accepted these facts and marveled at them. And being good social scientists, they would have modified their theories accordingly and, of course, continued to offer new criticisms of the existing social order.
Blim, and many others on this forum, appear to be stuck in the past. They blind themselves of what has achieved and prefer to propagate the idea that all of our troubles can be attributed to some vaguely-defined group of “rich people” (even those that donate billions to charity). This victim mentality is, in my view, highly counterproductive. The opportunities available to us have never been greater; people should appreciate this fact. I can use, as an example, my own parents—two uneducated peasants from war-torn Italy. They had none of the many advantages we have today; and yet, they worked and saved, and raised a happy family. I never knew, as a child, that I was poor. I had no idea that I was being exploited by the rich. I just studied and worked hard. I am still not rich, but I am happy and appreciative of when and where I was born (relative to where I might have been born in time and space). The injustices I see in the world do raise my ire. But I try not to lose perspective on matters. Blim’s original post was entirely lacking in this perspective.

Posted by: David | Nov 3, 2007 1:33:51 PM

David,

I think it might be interesting for you to watch this clip - it's an excerpt from Lewis Lapham's documentary "The American Ruling Class".

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9207603350349957635&q=The+American+Ruling+Class&total=51&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

The poor people even sing!

Posted by: dkmy | Nov 15, 2007 5:52:51 PM

Oddly enough, it turns out that the rich are getting poorer, and the poor are getting richer. And fairly dramatically in both instances, though more so for the poor. The vociferous upper middle class (who is making all the noise about income disparity), is the only group being threatened, as those above and below them target their lunches.

Link re: Treasury Report

Posted by: Carlos | Nov 15, 2007 7:08:00 PM

Someone needs to edit dkmy's link

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Posted by: Carlos | Nov 15, 2007 7:11:39 PM

Ok, please rectify the situation. The ruling class uses force to rule so the only thing they understand in return is force. They have achieved a level of power hitherto unreached in human history, though at the same time presided over a general improvement in human existence. Still, the poor die simply because they are poor. Economics still determines life, even when it shouldn't. Force is the only solution. I recommend we riot. Please let this be a declaration of a hundred years war against the rich. We will eradicate them, because that is the only solution. Anything else is bourgeois moralism, and another bankrupt liberal solution that strengthens their position more than even the most apologetic conservative. Utopia will be reached by drawing blood. Are you ready?

Posted by: marx | Nov 21, 2007 12:16:44 AM

And when do you tax progressively, the first year someone earns more than you think they should? Your arguments as always penalize hardwork rather than reward it. Wouldn't it be better to hold individuals responsible for individual crimes rather than penalize everyone for the crimes of a few? We need to do better than remain stuck in 19th century marxist paradigms.

Posted by: bookworm | May 7, 2008 10:44:50 AM

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