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August 20, 2007

Midnight’s Children Turn Sixty

Edward B. Rackley

Celebrate India. On second thought, maybe not. Such is the dilemma for many Indians as the country braces for its sixtieth anniversary this month. Politicos in New Delhi warn of extremist attacks. For August 15, Independence Day, workers are staying home, shops are closed and circulation is discouraged. India’s 1.12 billion citizens—one sixth of the world’s population—along with its far-flung global diaspora, are wondering what exactly the nation has made of itself in sixty years of freedom.

Profiles of famous Indians born in 1947 abound in the newspapers as Independence Day approaches. These are India’s “Midnight’s Children,” a notion made famous by Salman Rushdie’s 1981 bestseller and since anchored into the national psyche. Newspaper pundits speculate on the causes for the different fates of India and Pakistan, the latter born of partition with India sixty years ago. [1]

143pxswastik4_svg Still a young nation by any standard, India’s youth belies its age as an ancient cultural manifold, claiming more than 5000 years of continuous existence. An effervescent, song-and-dance present cohabits with the deep humming of millennia past. As a modern state, cultural and political pluralism is the primary success story of the world’s largest democracy comprising more than two thousand ethnic groups. Every major religion is represented, with a bewildering number of religious sects and spiritual leaders, gurus and “god men.”

India-US relations are complex, and India is a steadfast member of the Non-Aligned Group. Western culture is particularly suspect. A recent national poll showed a majority of Indians blame “western influence for making sex and crime acceptable.” Like most westerners, Indians are gleeful consumers. To a foreign visitor, however, the presence of dreaded western culture is imperceptible; a fierce attachment to local traditions and culture prevails. I see very little to no western media, for instance, and nothing “western” is for sale (well, Pepsi in some big cities).

OK Tata Horn Please

Fifteen years have passed since my last visit. The information technology sector and the all-consuming Bollywood juggernaut (other cinematic forms have all but perished) have achieved global reach and recognition. A clutch of family-owned companies, now closely-guarded dynasties, continue to dominate entire sectors (Tata motors, Mittal steel, etc.) thanks to protectionist market policies aimed at nurturing a robust national economy. Hence the ubiquitous “OK Tata” stencil on the rear of every commercial carrier, inevitably followed by “Horn Please.” No one uses rear or side view mirrors, making the horn the sole means of communication in a throng of rabid lane-jockeys and oncoming daredevils.

India’s chaos is one that never ceases to surprise, seduce, unsettle. The road traffic, one confluence of noise, aggression and cooperation, coheres into flowing function—with regular tragedy, to be sure. The number of pedestrians and pilgrims killed on the roadside, for instance, figures prominently in newspaper headlines. With such wide shoulders on the roads, one asks, why do so many insist on walking in the middle of traffic? In a recent send-up of Indian mannerisms, one journalist solved the riddle: “This is why no one ever walks on the [sidewalks], even when there are no chai stalls or beggar families taking up the space. We walk in the middle of the road because that’s where all the other people are.” [2]

“Shit on your shoe, Sir!”

Caca Cola, Nike, Starbuck’s and McDonald’s do not haunt this place as they do in, say, mainland China. With manufactured goods mostly domestic, there is little globalized branding here. It’s all Durga’s Veg and Tiffin, Anand Vests and Briefs, the Bell Brand Umbrella Shop, the Raj Lucky Metal Store. Sounds quaint, but the Lords of Indian Industry have enjoyed market control by huge family-owned Indian brands in the absence of external competition. Naturally their political allies who perpetuate these lucrative regulations eat equally well, sleeping the slumber of giants.

“India the software superpower” is a source of pride to all Indians, but who acknowledges the staggering development challenges the country faces? The economy is firing all pistons, but nothing trickles down to the urban and rural poor. Eighty-hundred-and-fifty million Indians, or 70% of the country, survive on nine to twenty rupees per day (25 to 50 cents). [3]

Large-scale famines were common right up to the end of the Raj, and India has not produced a major famine since initiating multi-party democracy in 1947. Still, extreme suffering is on naked display here, as is the hand of human cruelty. Bigger child beggars beating up smaller child beggars in the midst of an indifferent traffic jam. A maimed, mangy puppy tied to a stake to die. A rogue shoe shine boy in New Delhi who surreptitiously flicked feces onto my sandals, then demanded to clean them for money, drove home the desperation of street survival. It’s in everyone’s face but no one seems to notice.

In New Delhi and Mumbai, basic municipal infrastructure is crumbling and many tax-funded public services are functionally inert—open sewers ferry human waste; no trash removal service exists. A half day of rain leaves the largest cities inundated and paralyzed. Drainage ditches are clogged by discarded plastic bags and mounds of garbage dumped at curbsides. Colonial building facades continue their path of poetic decay, determined to defy their final collapse into mute rubble.

The makeshift shelters of sticks and plastic bags densely clustered in camps outside the ubiquitous mountains of rubbish on the outskirts of towns and cities resemble the sprawling patchwork of African refugee camps. I’m told these are Dawit communities, outcasts, who scavenge and sift through mile-high mounds of human waste for re-sellable or edible goods, competing with goat herds and packs of wild dogs. Colleagues who’ve worked in India’s devastating floods of recent years tell of government officials refusing to allow helicopters to evacuate affected populations (they were Dawit), instead directing international monies to save local cows.

Holiness still has its virtues on this earth. Who decides who lives or which objects are holy, dignified and thus worth preserving? The decision seems arbitrary to an outsider. There is nothing rational about the blind force of faith and tradition. Sam Harris’ book The End of Faith is much on my mind here.

Houses of the Holy

As India turns sixty its social problems and poverty are mounting in direct correlation to the wealth amassed by its tiny elite. Fascinating perhaps, but that’s not why we came. We’re here for a quick sprint through India’s most famous temples and pilgrimage sites. We began in Varanasi, considered the most auspicious pilgrimage site for practicing Hindus. Many bring the bodies of loved ones to the banks of the Ganges for cremation. Varanasi claims to be one of the oldest living cities in the world, a center of Hindu learning and culture for over 2000 years. On a speaking tour in Varanasi before the end of British rule, Mark Twain captured the agelessness of the place, joking to a crowd that “[Varanasi] is older than history, older than tradition, older even than legend, and looks twice as old as all of them put together.”

We arrived during a Shiva festival, the deity presiding over the city. Fire ritual, hymns and incantations, or puja, were performed at sunset every evening at the bathing ghats, near where funeral pyres burned. One tourist we met had brought her father’s ashes from the US to be set afloat on a bed of candles and flowers, following a ceremony of prayers and chanting with a local Brahmin priest.

In infrastructural terms Varanasi is barely hanging on. No renewal or renovation projects are visible. One exception was the lodge/temple where we stayed, owned by a Brahmin priest. Tiny shrines to various deities could be found in corners throughout the house. He hired local temple craftsmen, particularly painters, to decorate the old house with murals from the Bhagavad Gita and Mahabarata. With no new temples being built and no old ones being renovated, the skills of these unique craftsmen are no longer in demand. The art of tempura mural and fresco painting in Varanasi is dying out.

Img_0193_2In contrast to Varanasi, centers of Buddhist learning and culture in Bihar and Uttar Pradesh are in good repair, supported by large monastic communities from as far as Japan, Taiwan and South Korea. A steady stream of international tourists and cash from other Buddhist countries in the region keeps them afloat. Just off the Grand Trunk Road in Bihar, a sixteenth century highway running from Amritsar on the Pakistan border to Kolkata—often just a marathon of bone-shattering potholes, becoming a giant dustbowl or an open lake depending on time of year—lies Bodhgaya, site of the ancient Bodhi tree, under which the Buddha achieved enlightenment.

A Mecca of sorts, Bodhgaya is also the wintering station for the Dalai Lama and the Tibetan Buddhist community in exile. The serene grounds around the tree are filled with stupas of various shapes and sizes. Hundreds of pilgrims and monks visit daily to do prostrations, meditate and offer prayers.

Bodghaya_012_2But because it is in India, Bodhgaya is still a chaotic place. Outdoor eateries are ideal for taking in the passing parade of barefoot pilgrims. (See also: swerving rickshaws, lumbering horse-drawn passenger wagons, overloaded oxcarts, Tata trucks and battered buses with horns blaring, wayward cows and darting dogs). Stay too long in this tableau vivant of the entire Indian animal kingdom on the move and suffer industrial-strength deafness.

In a remote wooded valley sixty km north of Udaipur in Rajasthan stands the Chaumukha temple, one of the largest and most important Jain temples in the country. Built in 1439, it houses 29 halls supported by 1444 massive, intricately carved marble pillars; no two are alike. Only one in this “city of pillars,” according to our guide, is imperfectly crafted. Its maker “suffered from hubris” and thus failed to achieve perfection.

Female visitors were reminded that during their “moon cycle” they were not to enter the temple. Besides shoes, any leather belongings were left at the door. As I entered the inner sanctum of the breezy marble labyrinth, a small group of “maidens” were singing bhajans to Jain deities.

A suit of silver meditation armor lay against a column beside the chanting girls. I gathered its symbolic purpose (it would suffocate or crush an actual wearer) was to ward off evil temptations of the flesh while meditating in hot pursuit of the divine. As I wandered the sprawling marble edifice I listened for some whisper of divinity. Crows cackled outside. I’d have settled for a cosmic brain thud, but none was offered. Jainism is famous for its deliberate lack of exegesis, and this temple’s secrets were the most impenetrable of any we visited.

A few kilometers north of Kanniyakumari, the southernmost tip of the subcontinent, stands the famous Hindu temple of Suchindram, built in the southern Dravidian style. It is dedicated to a representation of the combined forces of Siva, Vishnu and Brahman, the Hindu holy trinity. Like the Jain temple in Rajasthan, this was another stone labyrinth, though without reflective white marble or sufficient sunlight to illuminate its interior grottos. Thousands of tiny oil lamps glowed dimly in every stone recess, along every wall, before every stone carving of a deity. Bare-chested priests were scurrying about, performing ablutions of idols large and small carved from the stone walls, taking offerings from devout visitors, or chanting alone to themselves. Children laughed and played. The overall effect was not unlike a county fair minus the corndogs and sno-cones.

The air inside was cool, still and humid, much like a deep earth cave. Oil lamps illuminated the temple’s darker recesses. Highlights included a cluster of musical pillars (each with a different tone) played ably by our priest-guide, and a twenty foot stone statue of Hanuman, the monkey god and servant of Lord Ram. Ram is Vishnu’s most famous incarnation (along with Krishna) and the protagonist of the Mahabarata, a Hindu epic. With a muscular human frame and monkey’s head, Hanuman is typically worshipped by athletes (he often holds an iron dumbell), service industry folks and fanatics of Ram.

Hinduism gets a bad rap because devotees ritualistically clothe, bathe and make offerings to their idols as if they were Barbie dolls or voodoo effigies. Superstition is a problem among lay practitioners, and worship is aimed at “getting something” (fertility, worldly goods, liberation from the cycle of rebirth, etc.). Hinduism also lacks a succinct set of instructions to direct right action (as does Buddhism, for instance), although the lives of Ram and Krishna serve this purpose to some extent. Except for Catholicism, Hinduism is unique in accepting living deities, holy men and gurus to guide and counsel worshippers, ascetic monks and pilgrims. This seems to liberate the practice of Hinduism from reliance on a given holy text (“The Word of God”), which could explain why it feels more vibrant and alive to me, given my Christian background with its intensely scriptural orientation.

I finally got my encounter with divinity. I wandered too close to the giant grinning Hanuman just as a priest dumped a bucket of ghee and jasmine flowers over his head high above. I was splattered with the fragrant goo of warm ghee, the purified butter used in Indian food and as fuel in votive lamps. It certainly wasn’t shit on the shoe, nor was it a whisper from a deity frozen in stone. Did it mean anything at all? Sure, I realized as I picked up my shoes leaving the temple. At the very least, it showed the force of gravity was alive and well here in the frenzied midst of religious fervor. Some things are above the vagaries of human faith. That's cosmic indeed.

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[1] When asked whether Pakistan and India can reunite, 34% said ‘never’, 22% said ‘probably’, and 16% said ‘yes’ (28% ‘can’t say’). In a similar vein, 43% perceive Pakistan as the major block in the peace process, 24% think it is the US. Only 13% blame India. The Week, Aug. 19, 2007: www.the-week.com 

[2] Scroll through the filter blog India Uncut www.indiauncut.com for a quick apercu into the cultural and political banter of Delhi’s chattering classes.

[3] States with the least amount of extreme poverty (e.g., where the majority are literate and employed but functionally poor, like Kerala) attribute their success not to the IT boom but to remittances sent home by migrant workers in Gulf countries like Dubai. In Kerala, unskilled labor is done by Indians from poor states like Bihar and Uttar Pradesh. They can earn 75 rupees or two dollars a day in Kerala, 2000 miles from home, where they make 15-20 a day (40-50 cents).

Posted by Edward Rackley at 12:03 AM | Permalink

Comments

Consistently shallow, and well below the standard I've come to expect from your otherwise unqualifiedly excellent site.

Particularly egregious examples here:

"The makeshift shelters of sticks and plastic bags densely clustered in camps outside the ubiquitous mountains of rubbish on the outskirts of towns and cities resemble the sprawling patchwork of African refugee camps. I’m told these are Dawit communities, outcasts, who scavenge and sift through mile-high mounds of human waste for re-sellable or edible goods, competing with goat herds and packs of wild dogs. Colleagues who’ve worked in India’s devastating floods of recent years tell of government officials refusing to allow helicopters to evacuate affected populations (they were Dawit), instead directing international monies to save local cows.

Holiness still has its virtues on this earth. Who decides who lives or which objects are holy, dignified and thus worth preserving? The decision seems arbitrary to an outsider. There is nothing rational about the blind force of faith and tradition."

Besides everything else that is completely wrong, wtf is 'Dawit', 'dawit'.

I'll tell you what it is. Proof positive that this piece is a trivial, back-of-the-envelope travelogue, written by a snivelling twit.

Posted by: NYCtoGoa | Aug 20, 2007 5:21:30 AM

Pearl-encrusted thrones from India were yet another costly import. They were imported for several monarchs, among them Emperor Dawit (1314-1411) and Emperor Na’od (1404-1508), who are known to have presented them to the churches of Tadbaba Maryam, in Gaynt, and Zemedu Maryam in Lasta, respectively.

thats not what he had in mind - it was dalit ?

Posted by: ee ee | Aug 21, 2007 5:24:55 AM

I'm certain that Rackley would have written 'Dalit', if he had paid attention in India in the first place.

And in the normal course of things, it wouldn't be worth paying attention to a minor typo, let alone passing judgement.

However, this isn't a typo, but, obviously, a bad transliteration based on extremely lazy listening, which highlights Rackley's consistently lazy, truly third-rate approach.

Rendered useless by its smarminess and this "just-pulled-it-out-of-my-arse" flavour, Rackley's turgid lament lacks any usefulness or relevance, and falls very far below the standards otherwise consistently maintained at this site.

Posted by: NYCtoGoa | Aug 22, 2007 12:27:33 AM

It is uncommon for us here at 3QD to get such unreasonable and boorish comments as those from NYCtoGoa, who instead of making any substantive critism of Ed's piece is content to hurl insults and make unsupported generalizations.

I thought the article a fascinating bit of travel writing, so thanks, Ed.

Posted by: Abbas Raza | Aug 22, 2007 1:14:56 AM

Well now, I enjoyed the article and after visits and travelogues from others in India, I found it as a true travel diary from Ed and quite tongue in cheek. A personal view rather than an educated POV. Nice to glimpse into the personal brain of Ed...

"I’d have settled for a cosmic brain thud, but none was offered. Jainism is famous for its deliberate lack of exegesis, and this temple’s secrets were the most impenetrable of any we visited."

Posted by: michalynn | Aug 23, 2007 3:35:47 PM

Its nice of Rackley to spread the word that India is one poor pathetic dirty smelly country and to top it off its not even spiritual,WOW! Thank you for this incredible insight!Thank you 3 quarks for the great forum you provide exposing India for the fraud it truly is!!

Posted by: sumant | Aug 27, 2007 7:22:36 PM

Although I never miss an article of Ed's, I just now caught up with this post of almost 10 days ago, having been buried under various deadlines of my own. Like Abbas, I am really surprised by the negative comments it has generated. Oh, not that people aren't entitled to their own opinions -- I get that just fine. I understand, too, that if a reader is angry, that may not bring out the best in him. What strikes me funny is that this is such a good piece on what it feels like to go to other people's holy places, hoping against reason for some unmistakable contact with the numinous, and finding instead the troubling contradictions that inhere in any culture -- this happens to be India -- thrown into bold relief. It's very easy to see that Ed isn't interested in taking swipes at India. From everything he's ever written here in these pages, I get absolutely no feeling of arrogance or contempt, and this article is wine from the same barrel.

Posted by: Elatia Harris | Aug 27, 2007 9:37:40 PM

Clearly NYCtoGoa has something wrong with him that he's bringing to this piece. Ed's coverage of Africa is still my favorite (maybe because of all of his professional expertise there), but this is a fine bit of travel writing. Thanks Ed.

Posted by: Lurker | Aug 28, 2007 2:50:48 PM

I'm not surprised by the negative attention this piece has raised. Much of the commentary and description could have been written 100 years ago by Victorians, and frequently was, in the same ironic, faintly self-deprecating tone as manifested in the ghee incident.

I guarantee that 3quarksdaily would never publish a similar travelogue about Pakistan, that talks about Islam as having a "bad rap" for its rigid sex segregation, focus on learning the Koran in Arabic without understanding what much of the Arabic means, lack of pacifism, etc. The double standard is a little galling.

I don't see anything in this travel report I couldn't get from a quick perusal of the Lonely Planet, frankly. Why not visit the grand Bahai temple in New Delhi or Humayun's tomb? Are those not authentically Indian?

Posted by: Hektor Bim | Aug 28, 2007 3:44:08 PM

Hektor Bim, 3QD is a blog, not a news outlet. It has no obligation to be "fair and balanced." Thousands of blog have proliferated to represent one political/ cultural / social viewpoint or the other. The left leaning ones don't bother with keeping peace with the right or vice versa. Especially inflammatory issues like Israel-Palestine, India-Pakistan-Kashmir and now Iraq, tend to divide public opinion across antagonistic lines. The truth and fairness lie somewhere in the muddy middle as always. Just as the authors here are free to post what they wish, we as readers are at liberty to take from here whatever sense it makes to us. And having done so, we are also free to either come back here or strike it off our reading list.

The editor of 3QD is Pakistani born and he brings to the table his views at least partly, as a Pakistani. It would be easy therefore to conclude (given the acrimony between India and Pakistan) that he automatically favors an anti-India/ pro Pakistan opinion on this blog. Yet, if you scour the pages and the archives here, you will find a fair number of articles, including the editor's own, which are critical of Pakistan - the very recent ones being the excellent articles by Professor Pervez Hoodbhoy and the August 24 essay by William Dalrymple. Similarly, there are complimentary posts about India. But remember, Indians and Indian Americans too can be critical of India without necessarily losing their credibility.

I was born and grew up in India. Although I have not lived there for a long time, it still qualifies as one of my "homes." But just as I was not an Indian chauvinist when I lived there, I am not one now for the sake of mere nostalgia. Having said that, I too was a bit disappointed with Mr. Rackley's post. Not because it is (entirely) wrong but because it is one sided and rather depressing. Just as India must not be defined as the shining world of exploding growth rates and IT revolution on a stalwart march to greatness, nor should one attempt to describe it simply as a miserable failure inhabited by callous, lotus eating "chattering classes," as Mr. Rackley has done. Surely, India is also not the only religious nation in the world where the spirituality does not measure up to its overt religiosity. It is a pity that Mr. Rackley only encountered (or cared to remember) the shoe shine boy who splattered his shoes with excrement but not anyone else who may have extended him their hospitality as Maniza found upon crossing the border. India has many, many problems and it has much going for it too. It is steeped in superstition, poverty, injustices and yes, thin skinned politicians. But as Amartya Sen has aptly said (I am paraphrasing), "Any thing you say about India, the opposite too holds true." In a vast and complex society like India, you can find pretty much what you seek - saints & crooks, appalling poverty & conspicuous consumption, boorishness & grace, hypocrisy & disarming innocence - drama of every caliber. I wish India the best just as I wish that Mr. Rackley's next visit to India will be bring a little more joy. On a similar note, here is an example of the complexities that define Pakistan.

And Abbas, NYCtoGoa may be an angry commenter but he still doesn't compare to JSB on this thread (the last three comments).

Posted by: Ruchira Paul | Aug 29, 2007 1:02:07 AM

Ruchira,

I agree with some of what you say here. In general, I like this blog very much, but I don't like its coverage of South Asia, though recently it has been improving. It's very difficult to be both a member of the reality-based community and present only a relentlessly upbeat view of Pakistan. To their credit, the editors of this blog don't try to do that. In the past, it seemed like they largely ignored them, but now they are talking about them, with the excellent articles by Hoodbhoy and others.

The problem is that their coverage of India is very limited. Most of the articles about India I see here are discussions of India's poverty, caste, religious tensions, etc. The editors of this blog seem to manifest an adversarial relationship with India that isn't healthy.

So they are free to publish whatever they like as articles, and we are free to comment in response.

Posted by: Hektor Bim | Aug 29, 2007 9:20:32 AM

Hektor, hmmm,

Relentlessly upbeat:

http://3quarksdaily.blogs.com/3quarksdaily/2007/07/preventing-more.html

http://3quarksdaily.blogs.com/3quarksdaily/2006/11/pakistan_since_.html

http://3quarksdaily.blogs.com/3quarksdaily/2005/02/allah_the_army_.html

http://3quarksdaily.blogs.com/3quarksdaily/2007/08/endgame-for-mus.html

http://3quarksdaily.blogs.com/3quarksdaily/2007/04/on_freedoms_of_.html

http://3quarksdaily.blogs.com/3quarksdaily/2004/11/back_from_karac.html

Posted by: Robin | Aug 29, 2007 10:02:19 AM

Robin,

You didn't read my comment very carefully.

"It's very difficult to be both a member of the reality-based community and present only a relentlessly upbeat view of Pakistan. To their credit, the editors of this blog don't try to do that."

Notice the part where I credit the editors with not doing that?

Posted by: Hektor Bim | Aug 29, 2007 10:16:37 AM

My sincere apologies then, Hektor.

Posted by: Robin | Aug 29, 2007 10:34:06 AM

The responses provoked by this article have been raw, and that is good. As regards the comments specific to this article (and not 3QD the site or its illustrious editors), my response is simple: 800 million people on less than a dollar a day. This brute fact has no ‘opposite’; no dialectical escape hatch, as Amartya Sen and company might wish. A modern democratic country like India cannot continue to neglect these people, and yet it does.

Does a visitor not have a right to be outraged, especially as so few Indians seem to find it alarming? In the article, I mentioned how efforts to save Dalit [http://www.dalitnetwork.org/] populations from drowning in Orissa flooding were thwarted by local authorities, who prioritized the cows. I failed to mention that colleagues who opposed this were subsequently PNG’ed—declared personae non grata—and forced to resign and leave the country. Elite minorities have an evident interest in maintaining the status quo and its concomitant social and economic ills.

During the Vietnam War, my mother once lamented the death of a slain neighbour to a local socialite, who responded, “You actually know someone who went to Vietnam?” [To a southern socialite in the 1960s this would imply acquaintance with plebeian draftees, a lowly species subject to the laws of state.] Have times changed? I see the same from Congo to New Orleans to India. Elites cannot be expected to care about the plight of the dispossessed when the rules of elite subcultures dictate total avoidance of them, the voiceless, their abject conditions and asphyxiating circumstances.

Of course, slamming the door on the bearer of uncomfortable news is easier when national pride is invoked. Patriotism is an amazingly effective defender of the status quo and its stark inequalities. Just look at America post-9/11: it’s ‘fear of a brown planet all over again’, as if all the gains of the civil rights movement were a distant dream.

So, ‘shooting the messenger’, what does that say to India’s 800 million, an uncomfortable aspect of my message? To me, it says: ‘Your banishment from modernity and the rest of humanity is safe with us, the professional, educated elite who speak and decide for you’.

Posted by: ed rackley | Aug 29, 2007 3:42:49 PM

Ed,

Surely you mean 80 million on less than a dollar a day. There aren't 80 billion people in India (or in the world). (I'm not even sure where you get this figure, anyway. My understanding is that is more like 300 million on less than a dollar a day. There's something like 200 million on less than a dollar a day in China.)

I also don't understand why you think the absolute number in a given country is more important than the percentage of people in poverty or the trendlines over time. India has a large number of people in poverty because it has a huge population and has been a poor country for a long time. The percentage of people in poverty is worse in Bangladesh and many African countries, and there are millions and millions of people who fit that level in China as well.

The overall trend in India is slow but positive. It's been greatly aided by the end of the British Raj and the creation and maintenance of a democratic system, that actively works against entrenched elites.

Your analysis lacks any historical awareness. Are people coming out of poverty in India? How fast are they doing so? What can we do to help them? What do Indians themselves think about this? (I'm sorry they didn't exhibit the requisite alarm for you on this subject.)

Otherwise, all you are saying is that there are a lot of poor people in India, and their religion is weird and didn't grab you. Congratulations, thanks for playing.

Posted by: Hektor Bim | Aug 29, 2007 4:23:40 PM

I have corrected Ed's careless mistake. The figure he obviously meant was 800 million, not 80 billion!

Posted by: Abbas Raza | Aug 29, 2007 4:26:16 PM

80 billiion? Is this a typo in the same league as Dawit?

Your comment is actually more palatable in its anger than the passive aggressive tone you assumed in the main article.

Mr. Rackley, you have every right to criticize India's inequalities, injustices and criminality. Many others do so with regularity including here on 3QD. I take that in my stride and more often than not, I agree. I myself have often been attacked by Indian chauvinists for pointing out inconvenient truths about India. I am not one of those whose heart glows at the sound of Friedmaniacal cheerleading for India.

It was not so much your facts which rubbed me the wrong way and patriotism / ethnic pride has nothing to do with it. It was the tone - the smugness of having the last word on what India is without working too hard to find out. The biggest red flag was the use of the word "Dawit." The plight of the Dalits in India is a shameful one and anyone who has paid any attention to it, would have known how to spell the word correctly. Or were you joking - imitating someone else's mispronunciation? It was akin to reporting on Nazi Germany and spelling Hitler's name wrong.

And the spirituality angle was a red herring. Who claims that India has to be more sublimely spiritual than anyone else? It can be as obscurantist and idiotic in its meaningless rites and rituals as the next religious person of any stripe and pay for the follies.

Posted by: Ruchira Paul | Aug 29, 2007 4:54:38 PM

Historical progress against poverty in India, if it exists, is surely dwarfed by the degree of scientifific and cultural accomplishment of the country--a level of sophistication that somehow (inexplicably, to me) cohabits contentedly with such extreme poverty. The scale of the contrast boggles the mind. Any other country where I typically work would have declared a national emergency long ago, or an intractable civil war would have broken out over the disparity itself. Why isnt there more public confrontation of what is doubtless India's greatest albatross, the enormous number of lives and human potential squandered in abject indigence?

On another note, a surprise: I've actually spent over two years in various ashrams in India and NYC, and was a Brahmachari in the Sivananda order for some time. I ultimately lost patience with Advaita Vedanta and the yogic life/philosophy because of its spineless acceptance of suffering and poverty as karmic, thus deserved and inevitable. There is something infuriating about such abundant misery being written off as self-inflicted -- c'mon, even the neocons couldnt have invented a more effective way to wash their hands of the poor than that.

Posted by: ed rackley | Aug 29, 2007 5:26:06 PM

Frankly, I, both of whose parents were born in, grew up in, studied in, worked in, got married in, and gave birth to five children in India; who have many relatives there; whose best-man when getting married was an Indian; who has several Indians writing on this blog, including one of the editors; and whose biggest philosophical mentor (and PhD advisor at Columbia) is Indian, am getting sick and tired of hearing that I am running a site which is biased against India.

Whatever criticism I have posted of aspects of Indian society (just as we constantly publish critical views of other places, including Pakistan) have been from extremely well-respected intellectuals such as Arundhati Roy, Martha Nussbaum, Amartya Sen, etc. Do I ever get any credit for, for example, recently publishing the text of Nehru's indepence day speech, and saying it's incredibly beautiful and moving to me? Apparently not. Just this past Monday my sister wrote a 3,800 word article as a tribute to an Indian writer. Apparently people didn't notice that.

I seldom get angry at the many criticisms of our choice of links, or our columns. We are not delicate butterflies, I assure you, but this is an extremely ugly accusation to make (that we at 3QD are biased against India in some way) and typical of the sorts of minds who cannot let go of their own nationalistic biases and therefore impute them to others who have NEVER had them.

The whole idea that the "editors of this blog seem to manifest an adversarial relationship with India that isn't healthy" is ludicrous. Most of the articles about India that are posted here happen to be posted by an Indian (yeah, count 'em). And if you imagine that someone with as much decency and integrity as Robin Varghese hates his own homeland and the place where most of his extended family still live, you are sadly mistaken, and since he is my closest friend, you are then despicable to me.

I don't mind if any of you express disagreement with any views expressed at 3QD, but please leave accusations of bias and bigotry out of it. There's no truth in them, and there's no need for them. Thanks.

Posted by: Abbas Raza | Aug 29, 2007 6:06:46 PM

Abbas,

The 800 million figure can't be right. The quickest source I found suggests about 350 million on under a dollar a day for India - see <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_percentage_of_population_living_in_poverty>

Where is Ed getting this stuff?

Ed,

So, Indians collectively are worse than neocons now? Your complaint is exactly the same complaint a lot of Victorian reformers had about India right as they were doing everything they could to deindustrialize and destroy the Indian economy. I think it might have been useful to mention that you spent a fair amount of time as a Brahmachari when talking about religion in India and left disgruntled. It certainly explains a lot about your article.

Posted by: Hektor Bim | Aug 29, 2007 8:25:29 PM

For some reason, links get removed, look at List of countries by percentage of population living in poverty in wikipedia.

Posted by: Hektor Bim | Aug 29, 2007 8:26:24 PM

Abbas,

Are you seriously telling me that you believe 3QD to be entirely free of bias? That is, that this blog is the first product of human endeavor to totally avoid bias? I don't believe it, and I'd be shocked if you actually did too.

You're the one who told me that you should be allowed some latent patriotism in your posting of Pakistan Day. You're telling me that you have no partiality at all? And that this doesn't drive the site in some ways?

You brought up Robin Varghese and his postings. Here's the first 20 that I got from googling Robin Varghese India at 3QD:

http://3quarksdaily.blogs.com/3quarksdaily/2007/08/remembering-tag.html
Tagore
http://3quarksdaily.blogs.com/3quarksdaily/2007/08/nussbaum-on-ind.html
Education failing in India
http://3quarksdaily.blogs.com/3quarksdaily/2005/03/localglobal_syn.html
Indian Spider Man
http://3quarksdaily.blogs.com/3quarksdaily/2006/02/wedding_science.html
Right-wing hindu "science"
http://3quarksdaily.blogs.com/3quarksdaily/2007/05/rethinking_the_.html
The Emergency in India
http://3quarksdaily.blogs.com/3quarksdaily/2006/07/hoodbhoy_on_the.html
Nuclear Deal US-India
http://3quarksdaily.blogs.com/3quarksdaily/2005/10/indian_and_chin.html
Indian and Chinese growth overstated
http://3quarksdaily.blogs.com/3quarksdaily/2006/09/a_challenge_to_.html
Anti-Gay laws in India
http://3quarksdaily.blogs.com/3quarksdaily/2006/04/failure_and_suc.html
Naxalites
http://3quarksdaily.blogs.com/3quarksdaily/2006/05/india_debates_a.html
Affirmative Action in India
http://3quarksdaily.blogs.com/3quarksdaily/2007/02/the_british_eas.html
British East Asia Company
http://3quarksdaily.blogs.com/3quarksdaily/2006/03/the_fight_over_.html
Textbook fight in California
http://3quarksdaily.blogs.com/3quarksdaily/2005/07/the_indian_muti.html
Indian Mutiny
http://3quarksdaily.blogs.com/3quarksdaily/2005/03/the_us_has_revo.html
Modi's visa
http://3quarksdaily.blogs.com/3quarksdaily/2006/09/poor_beggars_th.html
India Dead in WWI
http://3quarksdaily.blogs.com/3quarksdaily/2006/01/hinduism_in_cal.html
Hinduism in California textbooks
http://3quarksdaily.blogs.com/3quarksdaily/2006/06/regilous_chauvi.html
religious chauvinism in India
http://3quarksdaily.blogs.com/3quarksdaily/2004/09/assaults_on_fre.html
attacks on Muslims in Gujarat

Robin is predominantly interested in the the Hindu far right-wing in India and America. You don't see postings from Robin on Indian female fighter pilots.

Posted by: Hektor Bim | Aug 29, 2007 8:45:52 PM

By the way, Abbas, you do get credit for posting Nehru's speech, at least from me.

Posted by: Hektor Bim | Aug 29, 2007 8:47:19 PM

I certainly don't think there is any overt or even covert bias against India or Indians here at 3QD.

However, I do think it askew (enough to comment, anyway) that the editor of this otherwise fine site would run as shallow, glib, lazy and thoughtless a piece as this one by Rackley - and then respond to (my) mild irritation with a sniff on the lines of "we're not used to this kind of comment."

I submit, dear Editor, that if you keep running half-baked crap like this piece by Rackley, then you are going to get more strident comments like mine.

Quite simply, Rackley's piece deserves brickbats - not because of his opinions (which are pedestrian), not because of his analysis (which is entirely unremarkable)- but because it is so damn shoddy while being surrounded by genuine excellence, and, often, real elegance.


Posted by: NYCtoGoa | Aug 30, 2007 2:21:26 AM

Dear NYCtoGoa,

Thank you for defending us against the accusations of obviously non-existent bias against India.

As for the rest, I can only say that if your "mild irritation" runs to calling writers (who are at least courageously putting themselves out there for you to judge) "sniveling twits", "extremely lazy", "truly third rate", "smarmy", and "turgid", what violent verbal lengths, pray tell, do you go to when you are actually fully annoyed by something?

Actually, don't. But thanks for writing again.

Posted by: Abbas Raza | Aug 30, 2007 2:36:05 AM

The Magical Realism does not sit well within the framework in which Deepa Mehta tries to fit it into.The movie is good in parts but its sum total is half baked.Strictly for the hard core fans of Deepa and Salman!

Posted by: Rahul | Feb 3, 2013 2:40:29 AM

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